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		<dc:creator>Recent URLs tagged Edupunk - Urlrecorder</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] recorded first by shenda on 2008-12-30&#8594; Enough about Edupunk [...]</description>
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		<title>By: MsMichetti</title>
		<link>http://msmichetti.edublogs.org/2008/06/08/enough-about-edupunk/comment-page-1/#comment-87</link>
		<dc:creator>MsMichetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 03:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jabiz, you may have a point, but language is still the basis for all spoken and written communication.  (As an aside, our recognition of this value is the reason why schools and organizations like the NCTE strongly support language-across-the-curriculum to be embedded in learning at all levels from pre-K to university.)  

And so, I do think that although &quot;post-modern mash-up language&quot; might be ambiguous, we need some kind of clarity for the sake of getting a message across.  Without clarity of language, what is left?  Answer: Mis-communication, if you ask me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jabiz, you may have a point, but language is still the basis for all spoken and written communication.  (As an aside, our recognition of this value is the reason why schools and organizations like the NCTE strongly support language-across-the-curriculum to be embedded in learning at all levels from pre-K to university.)  </p>
<p>And so, I do think that although &#8220;post-modern mash-up language&#8221; might be ambiguous, we need some kind of clarity for the sake of getting a message across.  Without clarity of language, what is left?  Answer: Mis-communication, if you ask me.</p>
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		<title>By: Intrepidteacher</title>
		<link>http://msmichetti.edublogs.org/2008/06/08/enough-about-edupunk/comment-page-1/#comment-86</link>
		<dc:creator>Intrepidteacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 16:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I am saying that the conversation need not be so semantics based. Edupunk can and will mean different things to different people. That is okay. If it doesn&#039;t work for you leave it alone. Post-modern mash-up language may make this formula denotation + connotation = constructed meaning a bit more ambiguous as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I am saying that the conversation need not be so semantics based. Edupunk can and will mean different things to different people. That is okay. If it doesn&#8217;t work for you leave it alone. Post-modern mash-up language may make this formula denotation + connotation = constructed meaning a bit more ambiguous as well.</p>
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		<title>By: MsMichetti</title>
		<link>http://msmichetti.edublogs.org/2008/06/08/enough-about-edupunk/comment-page-1/#comment-85</link>
		<dc:creator>MsMichetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 10:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Jabiz.  I am taking to heart what you&#039;ve said here:  

&lt;blockquote&gt;So keep doing it and call it what you like, but try and plaster your work in as many places as possible to it can inspire others and shake up the status quo.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

But I have to point out a strange contradiction here:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I see Edupunk as a label for a brand of teaching&lt;/blockquote&gt;
and
&lt;blockquote&gt;Don’t put the term in a box.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes, language is ambiguous and fluid, but denotation + connotation = constructed meaning.  So, what do you mean? ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jabiz.  I am taking to heart what you&#8217;ve said here:  </p>
<blockquote><p>So keep doing it and call it what you like, but try and plaster your work in as many places as possible to it can inspire others and shake up the status quo.</p></blockquote>
<p>But I have to point out a strange contradiction here:</p>
<blockquote><p>I see Edupunk as a label for a brand of teaching</p></blockquote>
<p>and</p>
<blockquote><p>Don’t put the term in a box.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, language is ambiguous and fluid, but denotation + connotation = constructed meaning.  So, what do you mean? <img src='http://msmichetti.edublogs.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Intrepidteacher</title>
		<link>http://msmichetti.edublogs.org/2008/06/08/enough-about-edupunk/comment-page-1/#comment-84</link>
		<dc:creator>Intrepidteacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more thing Tina Turner was the embodiment of Punk. Don&#039;t put the term in a box. Like all words in can mean many things. Language is ambiguous and fluid. Hence the beauty of understanding and connection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more thing Tina Turner was the embodiment of Punk. Don&#8217;t put the term in a box. Like all words in can mean many things. Language is ambiguous and fluid. Hence the beauty of understanding and connection.</p>
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		<title>By: Intrepidteacher</title>
		<link>http://msmichetti.edublogs.org/2008/06/08/enough-about-edupunk/comment-page-1/#comment-83</link>
		<dc:creator>Intrepidteacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will try and make this short and sweet. I see Edupunk as a label for a brand of teaching that looks to expose the hypocrisy  of a corporate run world. I would like to think that we can actually use any and all tools to bring about this exposure. Similar to the idea of culture jamming. The whole Punk ethos, as I see it, is a way to make people uncomfortable with things they are trained to ignore. It is an in your face style of revealing truths of society. 

Yes you are right this is good practice. So keep doing it and call it what you like, but try and plaster your work in as many places as possible to it can inspire others and shake up the status quo. That is all Edupunk is. But that is just my opinion and what do I know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will try and make this short and sweet. I see Edupunk as a label for a brand of teaching that looks to expose the hypocrisy  of a corporate run world. I would like to think that we can actually use any and all tools to bring about this exposure. Similar to the idea of culture jamming. The whole Punk ethos, as I see it, is a way to make people uncomfortable with things they are trained to ignore. It is an in your face style of revealing truths of society. </p>
<p>Yes you are right this is good practice. So keep doing it and call it what you like, but try and plaster your work in as many places as possible to it can inspire others and shake up the status quo. That is all Edupunk is. But that is just my opinion and what do I know.</p>
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		<title>By: MsMichetti</title>
		<link>http://msmichetti.edublogs.org/2008/06/08/enough-about-edupunk/comment-page-1/#comment-80</link>
		<dc:creator>MsMichetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 08:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter,
Perhaps you are right when you say it is insufficient rather than inaccurate.  But I am getting at how denotation and connotation work together to create meaning -- of any term.  And that is why I still maintain that the term is inaccurate.

Incidentally -- please read carefully.  I did not make the statement about it being a distasteful term.

You&#039;ve mentioned something else, though, which bothers me about the term and its implications:

&lt;blockquote&gt;it requires a particular cultural understanding to fully grasp its connection to education.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Cultural implications.  I am uncomfortable with blanket statements about education that are culture-specific, because they are not all-encompassing and therefore they exclude some members.  

And neurotic, perhaps.  Phobic?  That&#039;s going a bit too far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter,<br />
Perhaps you are right when you say it is insufficient rather than inaccurate.  But I am getting at how denotation and connotation work together to create meaning &#8212; of any term.  And that is why I still maintain that the term is inaccurate.</p>
<p>Incidentally &#8212; please read carefully.  I did not make the statement about it being a distasteful term.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve mentioned something else, though, which bothers me about the term and its implications:</p>
<blockquote><p>it requires a particular cultural understanding to fully grasp its connection to education.</p></blockquote>
<p>Cultural implications.  I am uncomfortable with blanket statements about education that are culture-specific, because they are not all-encompassing and therefore they exclude some members.  </p>
<p>And neurotic, perhaps.  Phobic?  That&#8217;s going a bit too far.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>p.s. Any &quot;edupunk&quot; who believes teachers should rise up against *all* corporations simply because they *are* corporations should &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thecorporation.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;watch this&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>p.s. Any &#8220;edupunk&#8221; who believes teachers should rise up against *all* corporations simply because they *are* corporations should <a href="http://www.thecorporation.com/" rel="nofollow">watch this</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 16:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&lt;i&gt;punk implies rejection of corporations and establishments&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Yes. But does it imply that *all* corporations and &quot;establishments&quot; should be rejected *no matter the circumstances*? I have never read any consistent literature suggesting that. Certainly, as you would agree, there is nothing wrong with &quot;rejection of corporations and establishments&quot; if it is warranted. If I&#039;m living in the early 21st century and *not* rejecting *any* corporatism in this world then I&#039;m certainly not a globally aware being. I&#039;m a putz.

I prefer to think of the term &quot;edupunk&quot; as insufficient rather than inaccurate. Inaccurate implies that the entirety of *punk culture is aimed way off-mark when in reality, *punk truthfully suggests we take a closer look...that perhaps there are valid reasons why rebellion exists.

The anger and suspicion of antithetical corporate involvement in education (to name just one key part) is entirely justified in any good teacher&#039;s mind. But the term &quot;edupunk&quot; is insufficient in that it requires a particular cultural understanding to fully grasp its connection to education. It&#039;s a very _particular_ cultural reference and will therefore alienate some by its very nature. That&#039;s not bad (the alienation is not intentional), but a sustainable movement through reliance upon punk (or pop) culture is not possible. If you want to spread a movement, that movement must be grounded in a much more universal idea and context.

When a particular cultural reference is made, it doesn&#039;t mean a term lacks any utility or is necessarily fairly labeled as &quot;distasteful&quot;. Boxing &quot;punk&quot; as &quot;distasteful&quot; is like boxing &quot;hippie&quot; as irresponsible. Perhaps there is something to be wary of regarding each of those identities, but it would be wise to consider that each of those identities contains a historical energy of rebellion deserving understanding rather than dismissal.

I think the fear of being labeled &quot;edupunk&quot; is not grounded in reality. It might be silly, but there is nothing to worry about. Only the most neurotic of us would scurry from the term and actively argue against its use. There are plenty of distasteful things we teachers can be called, but &quot;edupunk&quot; ain&#039;t even in the ballpark to those with their heads screwed on straight. And to those who get it? Well perhaps it has more value than meets the eye. Any cultural reference connected to questioning educational practice certainly can&#039;t hurt. If &quot;edupunk&quot; inspires a reflective connection with some, then that&#039;s laudable. But to even spend an ounce of energy fighting or disparaging the term is phobic.

By the way, the earlier post you made questioning the way agents are paid to recruit students to post-secondary schools...? That was very edupunk. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;<i>punk implies rejection of corporations and establishments</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes. But does it imply that *all* corporations and &#8220;establishments&#8221; should be rejected *no matter the circumstances*? I have never read any consistent literature suggesting that. Certainly, as you would agree, there is nothing wrong with &#8220;rejection of corporations and establishments&#8221; if it is warranted. If I&#8217;m living in the early 21st century and *not* rejecting *any* corporatism in this world then I&#8217;m certainly not a globally aware being. I&#8217;m a putz.</p>
<p>I prefer to think of the term &#8220;edupunk&#8221; as insufficient rather than inaccurate. Inaccurate implies that the entirety of *punk culture is aimed way off-mark when in reality, *punk truthfully suggests we take a closer look&#8230;that perhaps there are valid reasons why rebellion exists.</p>
<p>The anger and suspicion of antithetical corporate involvement in education (to name just one key part) is entirely justified in any good teacher&#8217;s mind. But the term &#8220;edupunk&#8221; is insufficient in that it requires a particular cultural understanding to fully grasp its connection to education. It&#8217;s a very _particular_ cultural reference and will therefore alienate some by its very nature. That&#8217;s not bad (the alienation is not intentional), but a sustainable movement through reliance upon punk (or pop) culture is not possible. If you want to spread a movement, that movement must be grounded in a much more universal idea and context.</p>
<p>When a particular cultural reference is made, it doesn&#8217;t mean a term lacks any utility or is necessarily fairly labeled as &#8220;distasteful&#8221;. Boxing &#8220;punk&#8221; as &#8220;distasteful&#8221; is like boxing &#8220;hippie&#8221; as irresponsible. Perhaps there is something to be wary of regarding each of those identities, but it would be wise to consider that each of those identities contains a historical energy of rebellion deserving understanding rather than dismissal.</p>
<p>I think the fear of being labeled &#8220;edupunk&#8221; is not grounded in reality. It might be silly, but there is nothing to worry about. Only the most neurotic of us would scurry from the term and actively argue against its use. There are plenty of distasteful things we teachers can be called, but &#8220;edupunk&#8221; ain&#8217;t even in the ballpark to those with their heads screwed on straight. And to those who get it? Well perhaps it has more value than meets the eye. Any cultural reference connected to questioning educational practice certainly can&#8217;t hurt. If &#8220;edupunk&#8221; inspires a reflective connection with some, then that&#8217;s laudable. But to even spend an ounce of energy fighting or disparaging the term is phobic.</p>
<p>By the way, the earlier post you made questioning the way agents are paid to recruit students to post-secondary schools&#8230;? That was very edupunk. <img src='http://msmichetti.edublogs.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: MsMichetti</title>
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		<dc:creator>MsMichetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 11:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Peter
&lt;blockquote&gt;Tweeting with Jim Groom (the founder of the term) the other day revealed that he doesn’t see “edupunk” as a complete rejection of corporations entirely.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Then I argue that the term is inaccurate, because punk implies rejection of corporations and establishments.

And I agree with your McExample as being one that is just plain McSilly and sending the wrong McMessages to students about lifelong learning.  Not to mention, it shamelessly promotes a corporation that has nothing to do with education whatsoever.   Not to say that McDonald&#039;s is a &quot;bad&quot; corporation -- it might be, it might not be, but its purpose on this earth and mission in the world has nothing to do with educating children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Peter</p>
<blockquote><p>Tweeting with Jim Groom (the founder of the term) the other day revealed that he doesn’t see “edupunk” as a complete rejection of corporations entirely.</p></blockquote>
<p>Then I argue that the term is inaccurate, because punk implies rejection of corporations and establishments.</p>
<p>And I agree with your McExample as being one that is just plain McSilly and sending the wrong McMessages to students about lifelong learning.  Not to mention, it shamelessly promotes a corporation that has nothing to do with education whatsoever.   Not to say that McDonald&#8217;s is a &#8220;bad&#8221; corporation &#8212; it might be, it might not be, but its purpose on this earth and mission in the world has nothing to do with educating children.</p>
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